The Phillies aren't optimistic that they will have Ryan Howard or Chase Utley back in the lineup soon. Howard continues to make progress, general manager Ruben Amaro said, but the first baseman has a long way to go. Since arriving in Florida nearly two weeks ago, Howard has upped his workouts and begun hitting in the batting cages. "To get full strength will take probably a lot longer than a season," Amaro said. "In fact, it may take a long, long time. That's just the nature of the surgery." Amaro said he still isn't sure when Howard might start playing in extended spring games and echoed a similar timeline for Utley. Utley has yet to take ground balls during infield practice, something he was doing in Arizona.